Tuesday, January 09, 2007

The Flag That Stands For Freedom?

Contrast these words: innocent until proven guilty, against these:

According to Pentagon officials, the US targets included several alleged al-Qaida members suspected of organising the attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.
We are the terrorists. My soul hurts.
"They [the Americans] must have believed they knew where the al-Qaida suspects were. It seems they decided to kill everything within a certain grid square and then find out what they had hit."
These days I find it much harder to be proud of being an American.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

We can fight it over there or fight it here . . . I'm voting for over there.

1/09/2007 07:02:00 AM  
Blogger Charlene Amsden said...

Susan -- yeah, let's just blow everybody up, then we won't have to worry about trying to make peace.

1/09/2007 07:30:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Newlyweds, huh? Now that's forward-looking.

1/09/2007 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger I Dive At Night said...

Hey Quilly, thanks for the blog. It restores faith in the idea that people should be paying attention to what is done in their name.

I had a comment for one of the previous ones, but blogger ate it. Probably for the better.

1/09/2007 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you think that blogger being down is connected to this issue? Silence the voices of dissent?

1/09/2007 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger I Dive At Night said...

Well, I once tried to post the phrase "Goerge Bush is an ass" but couldn't until I changed it to "goof".

1/09/2007 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger I Dive At Night said...

But I guess that disproves the theory.

1/09/2007 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Cindy said...

I just read a story in Readers' Digest the other day about a couple who were falsely accused of abusing their child and the hell they went through as a result. When it was finally over and the beaurocrats had been forced to do what they legally should have in the first place, the Federal Judge stepped down from his bench to personally apologize for the Government. We need more like that Judge.

1/09/2007 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think if we could just remember that as Americans, our origins are all over the world...

1/09/2007 03:51:00 PM  
Blogger Charlene Amsden said...

Doug -- do you think anybody read the article and actually understands your comment? I read the article and still had trouble with it!

Morgan -- welcome. I always try to live what I believe, right now that makes being an American a bit uncomfortable.

Brian -- the answer to your question is in the comments section of OC's blog -- and remember, once you open it and start reading, don't answer the door!

Morgan -- you didn't disprove the theory because you spelled George wrong -- so naturally it worked!

Cindy -- we need fewer outrageous injustices to begin with.

Cindra Smenits -- amen.

1/09/2007 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its frequently hard to bear the burden of our government's decisions. I read things like this, and you really have to search for the truth about what's going on in Iraq, and I wonder where our humanity has gone.

1/09/2007 04:36:00 PM  
Blogger Charlene Amsden said...

Kat -- yes. My sould hurts.

1/09/2007 04:40:00 PM  
Blogger Bill ~ {The Old Fart} said...

HI Quill

Don't be too hard on yourself. With all wars there are always innocent people hurt.

Look at WWII. When the Allies started to bomb the German Cities to ferret out the Nazi's, there were a lot of innocent German People killed who opposed Hitler and the Nazi's.

It is just a part of war my dear friend. And there is nothing we can do. Innocent people get killed.

I am glad we (the Allies) did what we did 60 + years ago. If we didn't we'd all be "Goose Stepping" today and the Swastika would be flying everywhere.

I truly believe this as listening to Mum and Dad, those beggars were close a couple of times of winning. Sometimes we have to do what we need to do to prevent a larger conflict.

Blessings to you my friend,

1/09/2007 04:50:00 PM  
Blogger Dr.John said...

AS long as we have war there will always things done we are4 ashamed of. We are the nation that dropped an atomic bomb on civilians after all.But it ended a war.

1/09/2007 05:10:00 PM  
Blogger Charlene Amsden said...

Bill -- what if your loved one was one of those innocent bystanders? Just because we don't know the people dying, doesn't make their lives any less valuable. And violence doesn't bring peace. Exhaustion does.

Dr. John -- and I fear we don't learn from our past.

1/09/2007 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger Nikki Neurotic said...

Quill, I support your position 100%. It seems as though too many people are just sitting back and letting the goverment do what they "have" to do, because they are the goverment and should know best and that's why they are in the position they are in. Excuse my French but that is the shittiest excuse ever. It's up to people like us to see the truth in what's right and wrong and not be so complacent about what goes on in the world.

1/09/2007 08:06:00 PM  
Blogger I Dive At Night said...

I speled it raung? Shti!

1/10/2007 12:47:00 AM  
Blogger I Dive At Night said...

p.s. Brian. Got your comment right away. Hillarious!

SMENITA smenita SMeNitA

1/10/2007 01:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Humans are nuts.

1/10/2007 01:33:00 AM  
Blogger Charlene Amsden said...

Morgan -- teachers notice things like spelling errors -- unless they're in their own work. Pft. And shouldn't that be, SMeDave?

Charlie -- indeed.

1/10/2007 05:32:00 AM  
Blogger Minka said...

Love that: Us targets- suspects + alleged

see, the way they probably reason is those constitutional rights are only reseved for Americans.
Just as in teh phrase "God bless America!" Not "God bless the World or the balance of humanity...nono : God bless America!

sorry, some things just make me furious!

I would never send a prayer and say God bless Iceland! !

1/10/2007 05:39:00 AM  
Blogger The amoeba said...

Minka - maybe it's just as well that most Americans don't know the original form of the Pledge of Allegiance.

1/10/2007 07:31:00 AM  
Blogger JAM said...

As someone who distinctly remembers the films of the throngs of people around the world who were cheering, waving flags, and partying in the streets because they LOVED what happened on 9/11, let me be one of the few voices here to say that I support this bombing. The workers at those embassies were as innocent as anyone else. I just hate that it took 9 years to come about.

There have been innocents killed in every battle of every war man has ever fought since the beginning of time, there always will be. We no longer have the "luxury" of a defined country or easily identifiable group of people that we're fighting in this war. This war is going to be as messy, if not messier than any other. This enemy INTENTIONALLY surrounds themselves with innocents for two reasons; they hope we won't shoot at them for fear of killing innocents, and second, if we do shoot or bomb them, innocents will die, and they get to claim how horrible we are.

Make no mistake, we are fighting cowards and scumbags who intentionally hide amongst the innocent population, like the thugs Israel fought in it's latest conflict in Lebanon. Survivors and others who were able to escape the country recounted over and over, the same stories of how the terrorists would set up mortars and such in the middle of apartment complexes, fire their missiles, and then scurry off, knowing the retaliation would be directed at the innocent people in those apartments. There were even videos on the internet from videophones and camcorders showing this.

That's who we're fighting.

Man has become pretty technologically advanced, I see it every day at work, stuff that the rest of the world won't find out about for years and years, but MAN HAS NOT BECOME MORE CIVILIZED. Sad, but true. We're facing an enemy much more insidious than Communist Russia ever was, or even Hitler's Germany. In the end, even the warriors in those countries wanted to live, and wanted their children to live.

This enemy, conversely, WANTS to die, and is willing to kill everyone, including his own family to have his way.

1/10/2007 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger The amoeba said...

jam -

Thank you for your cogent demonstration of the principle of demonization.

Permit me briefly to address the issue of why so many people "LOVED what happened on 9/11."

History has excoriated the American South for the misery and loss of life at places like Andersonville Prison. The prison was operational for a little over a year, 1864-65.

History has excoriated Nazi Germany for the misery and loss of life at places like the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. The camp was operational (in two different roles) 1940-1945.

History will excoriate those responsible for the misery and loss of life at places like the Jabalia refugee camp. The Jabalia camp, like most of the rest of them, was founded in 1948. It is still operational.

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

1/10/2007 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger Charlene Amsden said...

Minka -- those constitutional rights are only reserved for Americans not even us, nowadays ...

OC -- Was Bellamy's first name Adolf? (And how do you know all this stuff? [wanders off mumbling about walking encyclopedias])

Jam -- see OC's answer, I can't better it. I will say this, If it is wrong for them to kill, it is wrong for us to kill. Period.

OC -- thank you.

1/10/2007 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger I Dive At Night said...

Minka, you should see the number of bumper stickers that say "God Bless America". As I understand it, God grants one blessing on the nation for each mile driven. And given how many bumper stickers they have, I think they are guaranteed to win... every thing.

I am certainly my own worst enemy. It's fun. :-)

1/10/2007 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger Bill ~ {The Old Fart} said...

Hey Quill

Just stopping by to let you know I'd be really upset if someone I cared for who was an innocent bystander got killed. And just because I may not know that person doesn't make that life any less important.

I truly believe that Peace should always be used over war, but when it has to be war some innocent people get hurt.

Like you I look at our Country's history and got to admit I sometimes am ashamed to call myself a Canadian.

I don't like what our Government did to the Japanese Canadians on the West Coast during WWII. The government uprooted them and moved them inland. Took their homes and paid them nothing. Set them up in Camps. Why didn't the Government do the same to the German Canadians on the East Coast?

What the government allowed to happen to the First Nations People was horrible and this wasn't even during time of war.

Just wanted to stop by to let you know not to be ashamed of your country, there are a lot of good people ine the United States who oppose what is going on. And watching the news they are becoming the majority.

Blessings to you my friend.

1/10/2007 08:12:00 PM  

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